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. and we have sort of the best to come yet because we haven't decided on the debt ceiling and spending. and so this is where we really need leadership, which we were used to. i tend to be an optimist about the united states because people gave up on us on vietnam, on the watergate crisis, and we came charging back. i think we will do here. but it would be nice if we didn't have to go to the cliff each time to do it. >> and again, when you start talking about the kind of relationships and the kind of leadership, you know, we still seem to have this atmosphere where people talk more at each other than trying to find some common ground, some common goal in getting it down. you broach the whole growth of growth and jobs, and that is the answer to all of us. you also talk a lot about contagion on this one. we all sensed that if the european situation got worse, and they represent 23% of world gdp, the effect it's going to have on the united states, india, brazil, it's going to be real. and so with 40% of export coming here to the united states and so forth, all of a sudden we started to see
. chairman. i'm under the impression that the debt ceiling is to give the authority to the president to assure our progress, the each and every nickel that we would fall get it back. i also believe that we have to have some guidelines on spending in order to share with creditors and americans alike, the fact are we going to reduce unnecessary spending. having said that, some people believe we have to have this involved debt ceiling with the deficit. and, of course, that's controversial. under the system of prioritizi prioritizing, payments that some people are pushing forward, they would believe that we can determine just to we're going to pay out interest to, we get a better handle on the spending part of the fiscal dilemma. and i just want to ask dr. johnson some questions that these programs that think you pay interest on your debt is, number one, priorty. i think every family would like to pay off interest. social security, and then third, somewhere active duty military, and i think patriotic as well as political. but under the scenario, dr. johnson, will we be paying the people
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